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	<title>Comments on: Moth-kinden by David Mumford</title>
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	<description>The Insect Man / Empire Rising</description>
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		<title>By: inquiring ant</title>
		<link>http://shadowsoftheapt.com/world/kinden/158/comment-page-1#comment-1845</link>
		<dc:creator>inquiring ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but i&#039;ve checked there already...</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian Tchaikovsky</title>
		<link>http://shadowsoftheapt.com/world/kinden/158/comment-page-1#comment-1778</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Tchaikovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no actual US release but I think the UK books can be got from Amazon.com.</description>
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		<title>By: inquiring ant</title>
		<link>http://shadowsoftheapt.com/world/kinden/158/comment-page-1#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>inquiring ant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2011 15:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GRRAAAHHHH! where can i get a copy of the 6th and 7th books? it seems like i can&#039;t find them in america....</description>
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		<title>By: Adrian Tchaikovsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrian Tchaikovsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 22:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reply @ Gabriel  (Spoilers for book 5 and on)

Firstly, as regards the Slug-kinden, you might want to go over the short story &quot;The Dreams of Avaris&quot; and, for that matter, there&#039;s some more heavy hints in the upcoming &quot;Heirs of the Blade&quot;.

Secondly, the Moth-kinden were more reliant on, and more proficient with, magic than any of the other Inapt races (save the Masters of Khanaphes, who were already in decline by the time the Moths reached their apex). They never had a strong administration or political organisation, but individual Skryres and groups of them simply ruled their own parts of the world and intrigued against one another. Their Mantis servants, and their Apt slaves, were kept in line by the threat of their magic (see short story &quot;Queen of the Night&quot; for a glimpse of this). When the revolution happened, the most important thing was not the technology so much as the empowerment it brought to the Apt - magic (and the Inapt world as a whole) is subjective, as opposed to the objective Apt machines, and the Apt kinden&#039;s belief in their ability to overthrow their masters brought the Moths low very quickly. As for reclaiming that power, that&#039;s another case of FOIP (Find Out In Print).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reply @ Gabriel  (Spoilers for book 5 and on)</p>
<p>Firstly, as regards the Slug-kinden, you might want to go over the short story "The Dreams of Avaris" and, for that matter, there's some more heavy hints in the upcoming "Heirs of the Blade".</p>
<p>Secondly, the Moth-kinden were more reliant on, and more proficient with, magic than any of the other Inapt races (save the Masters of Khanaphes, who were already in decline by the time the Moths reached their apex). They never had a strong administration or political organisation, but individual Skryres and groups of them simply ruled their own parts of the world and intrigued against one another. Their Mantis servants, and their Apt slaves, were kept in line by the threat of their magic (see short story "Queen of the Night" for a glimpse of this). When the revolution happened, the most important thing was not the technology so much as the empowerment it brought to the Apt — magic (and the Inapt world as a whole) is subjective, as opposed to the objective Apt machines, and the Apt kinden's belief in their ability to overthrow their masters brought the Moths low very quickly. As for reclaiming that power, that's another case of FOIP (Find Out In Print).</p>
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		<title>By: Gabriel Armand Brouillard</title>
		<link>http://shadowsoftheapt.com/world/kinden/158/comment-page-1#comment-1401</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabriel Armand Brouillard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2011 00:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a quick observation and few questions regarding Inapt, magically inclined Kinden. It seems to me that pre-revolution magician such as the Moth Kinden ruled pretty much everything, but somehow their societies fell apart for different reasons. Moth Kinden of course had their reign ended by an uprising of their slave kinden, Mosquito Kinden were presumably wiped out by the Moth Kinden (although they appear to much stronger magically and their fall could attributed more to their lack of unity), and finally the Slug Kinden from the end of book 5 had their big cataclysm which reduced the extent of their empire solely (1) to the city of Khanaphes. The Spider Kinden and the Dragonfly Kinden appear to have maintained their inapt society fairly well, although the Commonweal seems to be suffering some slight decay after the 12 Year War. My first question has to be that with so many powerful empires of Inapt Kinden (some of whom were magically superior) how in the world did the Moth Kinden keep track of it all? I know the Moth Kinden held most of the Lowlands in thrall, but it’s never specified what their rules was like and how they maintained such a large and powerful empire. The Mantis Kinden helped I know, but what was the Moth Kinden’s secret? Clearly they were much more powerful then they are during the time of the books. Is there any chance of  reclaiming that power? Or have the Moth Kinden’s magic completely and utterly faded from what it once was? Also what kind of Moth do the Moth Kinden have as their spirit totem? Looking at the artwork I figured a Luna Moth. Are there types of Moth Kinden out there beyond the Lowlands?

1. I don’t know this for sure, I’m not the author, but I have a strong hunch that Khanaphes is the last holdout for Slug Kinden. I don’t really see them having as strong an influence anywhere else. Please correct me if I happen to be mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a quick observation and few questions regarding Inapt, magically inclined Kinden. It seems to me that pre-revolution magician such as the Moth Kinden ruled pretty much everything, but somehow their societies fell apart for different reasons. Moth Kinden of course had their reign ended by an uprising of their slave kinden, Mosquito Kinden were presumably wiped out by the Moth Kinden (although they appear to much stronger magically and their fall could attributed more to their lack of unity), and finally the Slug Kinden from the end of book 5 had their big cataclysm which reduced the extent of their empire solely (1) to the city of Khanaphes. The Spider Kinden and the Dragonfly Kinden appear to have maintained their inapt society fairly well, although the Commonweal seems to be suffering some slight decay after the 12 Year War. My first question has to be that with so many powerful empires of Inapt Kinden (some of whom were magically superior) how in the world did the Moth Kinden keep track of it all? I know the Moth Kinden held most of the Lowlands in thrall, but it’s never specified what their rules was like and how they maintained such a large and powerful empire. The Mantis Kinden helped I know, but what was the Moth Kinden’s secret? Clearly they were much more powerful then they are during the time of the books. Is there any chance of  reclaiming that power? Or have the Moth Kinden’s magic completely and utterly faded from what it once was? Also what kind of Moth do the Moth Kinden have as their spirit totem? Looking at the artwork I figured a Luna Moth. Are there types of Moth Kinden out there beyond the Lowlands?</p>
<p>1. I don’t know this for sure, I’m not the author, but I have a strong hunch that Khanaphes is the last holdout for Slug Kinden. I don’t really see them having as strong an influence anywhere else. Please correct me if I happen to be mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Lords of&#160;Darkness : Shadows of the Apt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 20:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up at the eleventh hour as they always do. David Mumford has produced another of his masterworks here, whilst there&#8217;s a new short story, Queen of the [...]</description>
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